Missional church heresy

For my post grad I am looking at how we have separated church and mission, but reading through much of the missional church stuff I still think there remains a problem because the old definition of church that centres on church as the body of believers still remains as a part of the missional church definition (would you say this is true or do I have the wrong end of the stick) which in reality counteracts and limits the mission dei understanding at the heart of missional church as we know it.

Missional church if it is to be true to the sentiments of missio dei is more about people of faith and of no faith being on a journey of discovery (towards fullness of life for themselves, their community and the world) together and WITH an equality in this process that enables mission (the sort that Donovan describes in Christianity rediscovered) and mission dei to truly be the core of church. This means us becoming more powerless about our ideas of what church and if we are not we cannot be missional church. The example I would use is Flow church where the young people I work with call God Flow, and have agreed to come on the journey of being church, which in itself means discovering what Flow and church is, even though they are not believers in the way most people would understand believers to be.

for back ground check out how the word intentionality

is used in relation the being and growing church.The Golden Compass buy

Commitment and new monastics

James posts some good stuff on commitment and the link to contemplative faith and covenant. Whilst I agree with issues of faith communities needing time listen stuff BUT (borrowing from Petes new book) I wonder if some of the approaches in the new monastics that the current idea of commitment to one another is an idea we need to betray in order to discover something new. We assume covenant is a two way street, and so enter into covenant relationships with those in our faith circle (I recognise that for many this also has a service to the world element) but have questions on this.
Is the centrally of covenant to one another within (however you define this) a return towards closed set models. Does this investment towards others in church/covenant

return to a weak ecceliosiology that again separates missio-dei or annexes mission to a project or task. If Gods covenant was to the world not the church and the church was the way of fleshing out that covenant post Jesus, how do we enter into covenant with the world as the central element, recognising that we need one another to help with this.Naked Weapon movie full